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26  Off-Topic / Off-Topic / Re: Is the previous poster a vowel or a consonant? on: December 15, 2016, 06:06:50 pm
I've always thought of him as a consonant, though perhaps an airy one. An "h", maybe?

Tongue
27  Off-Topic / Off-Topic / Is the previous poster a vowel or a consonant? on: December 15, 2016, 05:21:48 pm
Huh
28  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 04:59:28 pm
May I also suggest excluding "x" from the coda? And perhaps having a few excpetions to the one-consonant coda? ("ng", "sk", "nd", "nt")?

By the way, I totally thank you for doing this and am not just giving you a hard time.
29  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 04:30:21 pm
I also support the "sr" and "jr" sounds being included. Also, as an addition to my earlier suggestion, all onsets using plosives - especially double plosives - should be used as infrequently as possible.
30  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 04:21:30 pm
I'm not a huge fan of consonant clusters ending in "l" - they sound awkward. Aside from "bl", "gl", "jl", and "vl", i propose we get rid of those. I'll add more later once I finish this essay I have to write.
31  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 15, 2016, 03:27:15 pm
We have decided on a phonology and an orthography, but what about phonotactics? I think we need to decide what syllable structures are allowed and what sounds are allowed to appear next to each other before we get too carried away with vocabulary.

Yes, good idea. Do you have any ideas?

I can write something up and post it in another thread and see how people like it or want something else. I'll make it so that all words people have come up with are allowed and we don't need to undo anything.

Please do
32  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation on: December 15, 2016, 11:38:06 am
Sounds like a plan to me
33  Creation of the Language / General Discussion / Re: Ideals on: December 15, 2016, 05:58:10 am
I guess infinitive splitting via infixes is indeed possible. E.g. Say that vebelraq means "to go" (with -raq being the infinitive suffix), and org means "boldly" then vebelorgraq means "to boldly go."

But that's kind of unusual and I don't especially like it to be honest.

Agreed. Infinitives are a simple enough thing to do entirely with suffixes. And this seems like a bit much.
34  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 15, 2016, 05:57:24 am
We have decided on a phonology and an orthography, but what about phonotactics? I think we need to decide what syllable structures are allowed and what sounds are allowed to appear next to each other before we get too carried away with vocabulary.

Yes, good idea. Do you have any ideas?
35  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation on: December 15, 2016, 05:56:41 am
What about stress? I think the words that people have come up with so far sound best when the last syllable is stressed. Kind of gives a Hebrew vibe to the language.

Also as I said in another thread we need to figure out phonotactics--I vote we make it fairly lax, but not too much (e.g. sdfwerewr should not be a word). I am willing to help on the specifics of that.

I like the first suggestion.
36  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread on: December 13, 2016, 06:58:36 pm
second question (assuming we're covering at least like two or three different features with verb affixes) - fusional or agglutinative? (basically, do we want to have e.g. one affix that means third person singular indicative past tense, or do we accomplish this by stapling together separate affixes that mean one of those things each)

i would strongly prefer the latter

A mix that leans toward the latter? (so the latter, but it's contracted somehow so words don't get impossibly long)
37  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread on: December 13, 2016, 11:05:13 am
imo the first question should be: which features do we want to represent by noun/verb endings and which do we want to represent by modal verbs/adverbs/etc

e.g. latin conveys person, number, tense, mood (indicative/subjunctive/imperative), and voice (active/passive) in its verb endings, while english conveys most of these via modal verbs ("will" etc)

I definitely think that the amount of helping/modal verbs in English is excessive and that doing as much as we can through endings is ideal. However, simplicity is always the goal, so we may take whatever measures necessary to achieve ease and simplicity
38  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Pronouns on: December 12, 2016, 06:57:43 pm
I'll propose alternatives.

1st person sing - Jo
1st person plur - Josu
3rd person plur - Edor, Ear, Etor

I've adopted Jo, but am keeping Ilor and the all-encompassing, personal, third person plural
39  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 12, 2016, 06:56:42 pm
I'm comfortable with having conjugation/declension to be done at the beginning/ends of words.

Some potential nominative forms (again with the same list + a couple more, sorry, I'm boring)


Word - beris
Earth - tarn
Father - pasi
Mother - mera
Son - idu
Daughter - ida
Food - suxa
Hair - seyo
Water - abez
Sand - selez
Dirt - mwelez

The endings are inconsistent, and I'm totally open to feedback and all


40  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 12, 2016, 06:35:40 pm
Now that we have some substantial pronunciation, let's get started on vocabulary!

Here's some of the ideas from earlier, in both consonant root form and the other form that they were in before.

Word - ber-/B-R-S
Earth - terr-/T-R-N
Language - Terris (?)
Father - pas-/P-S-M
Mother - mer-/M-R-M or M-S-M
Son - id-/-D-H
Daughter - id-a/-D-AH
Food - su-/S-D-L



proposal:

earth - tarn
of earth / like earth / belonging to earth (?) - tarnuu
our language (nominalised form of that last one) - tarnuun

How would a double u be pronounced?

Another idea have a suffix for opposites? This would cut the number of words substantially. Hot & Cold. Young & Old. etc
I don't know if it's a good idea, but it could simplify things and make it easier to learn the language more quickly.

Or a prefix nonhot=cold nonold=young or unhot instead of nonhot etc etc
Then there would be halfhot for lukewarm. Maybe zerohot for cold? zero-old or little-old for young.

Has this been tried in any Conlangs before?
If you are speaking another language to someone who doesn't at the same time speak English, you can't say "How do you say 'cold'"? Because that person wouldn't know the meaning of "cold". But, if you remember the word for hot, you could say "what is the opposite of hot?".
My point is, that maybe the idea of simplifying the language with adding an "opposite of" suffix may be unnecessary and therefore a bad idea.
I have a tendency, perhaps an irritating one, of "thinking out loud".

As evergreen said, I like this as a thing to add variance, but not as a standard practice.
41  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 12, 2016, 08:43:30 am
Here are some critical words for our vocabulary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_common_words_in_English

They need to be put into alphabetical order. If nobody else does this, I will make a point of putting them in order
when I get a chance, if you think that that would be useful.
Perhaps I could also come up with a few random words in Terris and someone could decide which English words
to equate them with. As an example the Terris word "sogo" means... ____?
edit: I propose "sogo" = "jelly".

I'd appreciate if you could do that

I do like sogo as jelly, actually
42  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 12, 2016, 08:42:49 am
So, is "Terris" the Terris word for Terris? Because if so, I'm not sure how the double r is supposed to be pronounced.

Double r is like a single r, I just think it looks nicer. I assume it's a rolled r, although the single r isn't defined as anything
43  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread on: December 12, 2016, 08:40:51 am
I take it "Et" translates to the English singular "they", while "El" translates to "it"?

Anyway, what should the sentence structure be? Maybe we can do something weird like OVS?

Yes, that's correct.

OVS interests me but I also like having verbs at the end of a sentence though
44  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Grammar and Syntax Megathread on: December 12, 2016, 06:23:17 am
The defining part of any language - grammar and syntax. We have some starting points from our pronouns:

1st person sing: Jo
2nd person sing: De
3rd Person Sing: Ed Ea Et
3rd person sing (inanimate): El

1st person plur: Ilor
2nd person plur: Delor
3rd person plur: personal: Eor inanimate: Elor

But that's basically all...

What are y'all thinking (I'll submit some ideas later, of course)
45  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 12, 2016, 06:21:40 am
Now that we have some substantial pronunciation, let's get started on vocabulary!

Here's some of the ideas from earlier, in both consonant root form and the other form that they were in before.

Word - ber-/B-R-S
Earth - terr-/T-R-N
Language - Terris (?)
Father - pas-/P-S-M
Mother - mer-/M-R-M or M-S-M
Son - id-/-D-H
Daughter - id-a/-D-AH
Food - su-/S-D-L

46  Creation of the Language / Learn the Language / Guide to Pronunciation on: December 12, 2016, 06:16:39 am
Vowels
a[ɑ]father
e[ə]neutral, unstressed vowel as in harden
i[i]meet
o[ɔ]though
u[u]loot
Consonants
b
c[ʃ]shock
d
f
g
h[h]hair
j[ʒ]treasure (write english j sound as dj)
k
l[l]loose
m
n
p
q[kʷ]queen except the k/w sounds kinda merge
r[ɹ̠]~[ɻ]~[ʋ]~[ɾ]~[r]~[ʁ]allow all vaguely common r sounds
s
t
v
w
x[x]loch
y[j]year
z

Thanks, evergreen!
47  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation on: December 11, 2016, 06:47:40 pm
I like this a lot - a few comments:

-I think we want more difference between the "A" and "O" sounds - the o sound in mode is very common and I think that's what the o should be.
-Which "h" sound is this?
-Do we have no "th" sound? (I'm cool with that)
-What "l" sound (closer to a hard "l" or a "w"?)

But everything else is cool.

- sure
- [h] / hair
- yeah. (*)
- [l] / loose

* mostly i just wanted to use every letter of the latin alphabet (except e and y in that draft) for exactly one more or less intuitive sound. c is the only one i'm not really happy with

new idea:
e[ə]neutral, unstressed vowel as in harden
j[ʒ]treasure (write english j sound as dj)
y[j]year

Even better. I suppose that settles it, then (Huh). I'll post a quick guide at some point between now and later.
48  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation on: December 11, 2016, 04:41:36 pm
a rough proposal:
the vowels
a[æ]?father
i[i]meet
o[ɔ]thought
u[u]loot
the obvious consonants
b
d
f
g
h
k
l
m
n
p
s
t
v
w
z
the less obvious consonants
c[ʃ]shock
j[j]year
q[kʷ]queen except the k/w sounds kinda merge
r[ɹ̠]~[ɻ]~[ʋ]~[ɾ]~[r]~[ʁ]allow all vaguely common r sounds
x[x]loch

in this case, you could write e.g. the ch sound as tc

I like this a lot - a few comments:

-I think we want more difference between the "A" and "O" sounds - the o sound in mode is very common and I think that's what the o should be.
-Which "h" sound is this?
-Do we have no "th" sound? (I'm cool with that)
-What "l" sound (closer to a hard "l" or a "w"?)

But everything else is cool.
49  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation on: December 11, 2016, 02:23:45 pm
Can we also have the letter y making the same sound it does in IPA (French u)?

So the "o" in done?
50  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Consonant roots? on: December 11, 2016, 08:34:53 am
what if we have consonantal roots, like in the semitic languages?

e.g.
TaRN = earth (n.)
TaRaNa = to land (infinitive)
maTRaN = landing (n.)
and so on


I don't see why not...
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