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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread
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on: December 20, 2016, 07:02:13 am
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in that second example both words would take the same case markers etc
and you can draw a distinction between (can't think of the right terms right now) an integral relationship (silez hocodj = stardust) and like ownership or whatever (silez hodj[+gen] = a star's dust/dust belonging to a star/whatever)
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread
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on: December 20, 2016, 06:37:01 am
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Do we want to have gendered nouns/adjectives?
Maybe some kind of noun classes that aren't tied to gender? That seems a good idea Based on the words we have so far, I think the three options should be "-is" nominatives, "-ez" nominatives, and "-in" nominatives How should those decline, then? Tbh, imo, "-is" and "-ez" are far too similar sounding to really support different sets of inflections over a longer period. are they though? remember also that final "-is" would be a stressed syllable and final "-ez" would be an unstressed syllable
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics!
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on: December 15, 2016, 07:30:15 pm
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rq seems difficult tbh
In the coda? yeah @evergreen: I was talking about the trilled r; I find cr hard to pronounce in that scenario. But maybe speakers of languages that actually have trills don't have that problem, so the problem is moot.
I also added q and x back into the allowable coda list.
it's common in german too (e.g. schreien, Schrank, schrecklich) I meant [r]. I'm not sure if that's a thing in your dialect or not. yeh
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics!
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on: December 15, 2016, 07:16:09 pm
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@evergreen: I was talking about the trilled r; I find cr hard to pronounce in that scenario. But maybe speakers of languages that actually have trills don't have that problem, so the problem is moot.
I also added q and x back into the allowable coda list.
it's common in german too (e.g. schreien, Schrank, schrecklich)
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics!
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on: December 15, 2016, 05:22:07 pm
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should i change "tarn" to "taren" then? the onset list is p good but - why jl and not cl (/jr and not cr)? - i'd like to add fs/ks/ps and vz/gz/bz if y'alls're ok with that The reason I didn't include sr or jr (or zr or cr) is because it could get hard (though not impossible) to pronounce depending on which version of "r" you're using. But I can change that if you want.
cr is fairly common in english (shrine, shrike, shriek, etc) fwiw personally i'd include cr/sr but not jr/zr (also entirely against excluding x from the coda )
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation
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on: December 15, 2016, 06:34:00 am
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What about stress? I think the words that people have come up with so far sound best when the last syllable is stressed. Kind of gives a Hebrew vibe to the language.
Also as I said in another thread we need to figure out phonotactics--I vote we make it fairly lax, but not too much (e.g. sdfwerewr should not be a word). I am willing to help on the specifics of that.
how about "last syllable stressed if it ends with a consonant (or if it's the only syllable lol), second to last syllable otherwise"? bc i feel like e.g. tarana sounds better with the stress on the second syllable than on the third.
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread
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on: December 13, 2016, 05:04:47 pm
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second question (assuming we're covering at least like two or three different features with verb affixes) - fusional or agglutinative? (basically, do we want to have e.g. one affix that means third person singular indicative past tense, or do we accomplish this by stapling together separate affixes that mean one of those things each)
i would strongly prefer the latter
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread
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on: December 13, 2016, 08:52:03 am
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imo the first question should be: which features do we want to represent by noun/verb endings and which do we want to represent by modal verbs/adverbs/etc
e.g. latin conveys person, number, tense, mood (indicative/subjunctive/imperative), and voice (active/passive) in its verb endings, while english conveys most of these via modal verbs ("will" etc)
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary.
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on: December 13, 2016, 07:57:06 am
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Now that we have some substantial pronunciation, let's get started on vocabulary!
Here's some of the ideas from earlier, in both consonant root form and the other form that they were in before.
Word - ber-/B-R-S Earth - terr-/T-R-N Language - Terris (?) Father - pas-/P-S-M Mother - mer-/M-R-M or M-S-M Son - id-/-D-H Daughter - id-a/-D-AH Food - su-/S-D-L
proposal: earth - tarn of earth / like earth / belonging to earth (?) - tarnuu our language (nominalised form of that last one) - tarnuun How would a double u be pronounced? just longer ([uː])
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary.
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on: December 12, 2016, 10:30:55 am
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Now that we have some substantial pronunciation, let's get started on vocabulary!
Here's some of the ideas from earlier, in both consonant root form and the other form that they were in before.
Word - ber-/B-R-S Earth - terr-/T-R-N Language - Terris (?) Father - pas-/P-S-M Mother - mer-/M-R-M or M-S-M Son - id-/-D-H Daughter - id-a/-D-AH Food - su-/S-D-L
proposal: earth - tarn of earth / like earth / belonging to earth (?) - tarnuu our language (nominalised form of that last one) - tarnuun
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation
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on: December 11, 2016, 06:32:55 pm
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I like this a lot - a few comments:
-I think we want more difference between the "A" and "O" sounds - the o sound in mode is very common and I think that's what the o should be. -Which "h" sound is this? -Do we have no "th" sound? (I'm cool with that) -What "l" sound (closer to a hard "l" or a "w"?)
But everything else is cool.
- sure - [h] / hair - yeah. (*) - [l] / loose * mostly i just wanted to use every letter of the latin alphabet (except e and y in that draft) for exactly one more or less intuitive sound. c is the only one i'm not really happy with new idea: e | [ə] | neutral, unstressed vowel as in harden | j | [ʒ] | treasure (write english j sound as dj) | y | [j] | year |
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation
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on: December 11, 2016, 03:58:51 pm
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a rough proposal: the vowels | a | [æ]? | father | i | [i] | meet | o | [ɔ] | thought | u | [u] | loot | the obvious consonants | b | | | d | | | f | | | g | | | h | | | k | | | l | | | m | | | n | | | p | | | s | | | t | | | v | | | w | | | z | | | the less obvious consonants | c | [ʃ] | shock | j | [j] | year | q | [kʷ] | queen except the k/w sounds kinda merge | r | [ɹ̠]~[ɻ]~[ʋ]~[ɾ]~[r]~[ʁ] | allow all vaguely common r sounds | x | [x] | loch |
in this case, you could write e.g. the ch sound as tc
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Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation
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on: December 11, 2016, 03:34:06 pm
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we should consider how large we actually want our vowel inventory (and consonant inventory) to be
english with its 10-13 vowel sounds (plus diphthongs) is very large relative to other languages. many just use three vowels (often /a/, /i/, /u/)
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Creation of the Language / General Discussion / Re: Ideals
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on: December 10, 2016, 07:52:36 pm
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To boldly split infinitives is a highly controversial grammatical question. I am not sure if it will be an issue, if Terris has infinitives that are one word.
Ideally, yes, they will be one word doesn't mean you can't split them! (that'd be called an infix, as opposed to a prefix/suffix. fun fact: the only infix in english is "fücking", as in "fan-fücking-tastic" or "un-fücking-believable") e.: do we really have to have the profanity filter here too? I don't think I can get rid of the filter :/ Just comes as default, I guess... Just put a BB code thing in between two of the letters and it'll come out fine good to know, i guess
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Off-Topic / Off-Topic / Re: Introduction thread
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on: December 10, 2016, 07:50:30 pm
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name: zoë / evergreen location: rhine rift valley interests: politics, sci-fi/fantasy, languages, … religion: eh languages i speak: english and german fluëntly, french and japanese conversationally, basics of arabic, esperanto, and nahuatl (plus scattered phrases/words from gods know where) pet peeve: stepping in water while wearing socks birthday: july 2nd fav. fictional character: no idea, too many. marco diaz?
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