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1  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread on: December 24, 2016, 03:27:34 pm
I like those endings....I guess we're going with the idea that e can be stressed?
2  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Basic Pronunciation on: December 24, 2016, 03:25:36 pm
I feel like we should keep b/v/w as is just because we've been operating under that for a while.
3  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread on: December 18, 2016, 12:33:45 pm
Do we want to have gendered nouns/adjectives?

Maybe some kind of noun classes that aren't tied to gender?
4  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread on: December 17, 2016, 12:06:21 pm
Sorry for double-posting, but this is really a separate thought.

I don't want to exactly replicate English's case system, but I'd accept it with a little tweaking.  Like maybe throw in a fourth case, say, instrumental, to unite constructions like "in Terris" tarnuunan, "by road", "with jam" sogooan, "smiled upon by the stars" hodjeron (note metaphor), etc.

This is actually a great idea.

So "-n" in the singular and "-(e)rn" or "-(e)ron" in the plural?

I'm interpreting it as -an in the singular and -(e)ron in the plural.
5  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread on: December 16, 2016, 10:47:58 pm
I like both of those suggestions! Also, welcome!
6  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Creating sentences etc on: December 16, 2016, 03:46:02 pm
I agree that creating sentences should be a goal, although we're obviously not there yet. At the minimum we need to figure out how nouns and verbs work (cases, conjugations, etc.) and also word order.
7  Off-Topic / Off-Topic / Re: Is the previous poster a vowel or a consonant? on: December 16, 2016, 03:43:44 pm
Consonant, and thanks!
8  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Grammar and Syntax Megathread on: December 16, 2016, 03:42:46 pm
We can't come up with too much vocabulary without grammar... Let's start with nouns - how many cases? And later, what should the endings be?
Here's my proposal.

I say we use the three cases for English pronouns: nominative, oblique, genitive.

Endings: - (nominative), -al (oblique), -ux (genitive)

If the root of the noun ends in the same vowel as the beginning of the case suffix, -r- is placed in between.

Using examples from words already created:

The food is good: "...suxa..."
I ate the food: "...suxaral..."
The food's flavor is strong: "...suxaux..."

The sand is brown: "...selez..."
I touched the sand: "...selezal..."
The sand's grains are small: "...selezux..."

Of course, there's also stuff like genders/classes, and number to consider.
9  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 16, 2016, 03:30:36 pm
My proposal

0. nue
1. aym
2. wal
3. con
4. vlare
5. gol
6. fwocp
7. yav
8. meqod
9. mirj
10. oj
11. jaym
12. jwal
13. jecon
14. jovlare
15. jegol
16. jefwocp
17. jyav
18. jemeqod
19. jemirj
20. walla
21. waym
22. walawal
etc.

30. cone
40. vlaras
50. golla
60. fwoce
70. yavin
80. meqaca
90. mirija
100. ayid
1000. mixa
1000000. mixain

what do you think

I like it.  Grin

I'm not sure I understand the "etc." after 22, though, since "waym, walawal" doesn't appear to follow a pattern.
10  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 16, 2016, 09:45:03 am
While I did create the above numbers, I would actually prefer something a little more irregular for the 11-20 numbers.

Also I'm starting to want to keep fwocp actually.
11  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 15, 2016, 11:25:41 pm
Random ideas for cardinal numbers:

1. aym
2. wal
3. con
4. vlare
5. gol
6. fwocp
7. yav
8. meqod
9. mirj
10. oj

What kind of number system do we want?

Roman numerals are not great but something similar


I meant, base-10, base-12, base-14? Also, how irregular should the number words be? E.g. Mandarin has very regular numbers--11 is ten-one, 17 is ten-seven, 34 is three-ten-four, etc. English is less regular, and French is even less regular than English.

Lol. Base ten is fine. I thing regular numbers with contractions is fine

I like the contractions idea. How about this:

11. jaym
12. jwal
13. jecon
14. jevlare
15. jegol
16. jefwocp
17. jeyav
18. jemeqod
19. jemirj
20. waloj

I'm not absolutely married to those number names though--TBH, they might be a bit heavy on the consonants.
12  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 15, 2016, 10:47:57 pm
Random ideas for cardinal numbers:

1. aym
2. wal
3. con
4. vlare
5. gol
6. fwocp
7. yav
8. meqod
9. mirj
10. oj

What kind of number system do we want?

Roman numerals are not great but something similar


I meant, base-10, base-12, base-14? Also, how irregular should the number words be? E.g. Mandarin has very regular numbers--11 is ten-one, 17 is ten-seven, 34 is three-ten-four, etc. English is less regular, and French is even less regular than English.
13  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: A name for the language and other vocabulary. on: December 15, 2016, 10:42:49 pm
Random ideas for cardinal numbers:

1. aym
2. wal
3. con
4. vlare
5. gol
6. fwocp
7. yav
8. meqod
9. mirj
10. oj

What kind of number system do we want?
14  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 10:29:22 pm
Thanks, Figueira! Big help. What next?

I guess if we're sticking with that phonotactics, we can go back to inventing words now.
15  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 08:16:04 pm
ah! also we should allow w/y + any consonant in the coda

So like "isle" and "owl" in English? I like that.

I don't think that's a good idea. I would support stuff like wide and down in English though.

Oh I just assumed what I said was what evergreen meant... which is it?

Taken literally her post would encompass both.

Anyway, new list:

Quote
Acceptable syllables are (C)(C)V(C)(C)

Here are the consonants/consonant clusters that should be allowed in the onset:

b bl br bw by bz
c cw
d dj dw dz
f fr fs fw fy
g gl gr gw gy gz
h
j jl jr(?) jw
k kr ks ky
l
m mw
n nw
p pr ps pw py
q
r
s sr(?) sw
t tc ts tw
v vl vr vw vy vz
w
x xw
y
z zw

Here are the consonants/consonant clusters that should be allowed in the coda:

b
c ck ct cp
d
f
g
j
l
mb mp
nd nt
p
q
r rb rd rf rg rj rk rm rn rp rs rt rv rx rz
s sk st sp
t
v
w wb wd wf wg wj wk wl wm wn wp wq wv wx wz
x
y yb yd yf yg yj yk yl ym yn yp yq ys yt yv yx yz
z
16  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 07:41:46 pm
ah! also we should allow w/y + any consonant in the coda

So like "isle" and "owl" in English? I like that.

I don't think that's a good idea. I would support stuff like wide and down in English though.
17  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 07:40:25 pm
ah! also we should allow w/y + any consonant in the coda

Good point. I will add those when I get home.
18  Off-Topic / Off-Topic / Re: Is the previous poster a vowel or a consonant? on: December 15, 2016, 07:25:08 pm
Definitely a vowel.
19  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 07:23:35 pm
rq seems difficult tbh

In the coda?
20  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 07:22:01 pm
@evergreen: I was talking about the trilled r; I find cr hard to pronounce in that scenario. But maybe speakers of languages that actually have trills don't have that problem, so the problem is moot.

I also added q and x back into the allowable coda list.
it's common in german too Tongue
(e.g. schreien, Schrank, schrecklich)

I meant [r]. I'm not sure if that's a thing in your dialect or not.
21  Off-Topic / Off-Topic / Re: Is the previous poster a vowel or a consonant? on: December 15, 2016, 05:35:49 pm
I sometimes pronounce your name [ɬɝ] in my head. But your initials are all consonants so I have to go with consonant.
22  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 05:28:36 pm
New proposal based on the comments of LLR and evergreen (note that I allowed almost all r clusters in the coda):

Quote
Acceptable syllables are (C)(C)V(C)(C)

Here are the consonants/consonant clusters that should be allowed in the onset:

b bl br bw by bz
c cw
d dj dw dz
f fr fs fw fy
g gl gr gw gy gz
h
j jl jr(?) jw
k kr ks ky
l
m mw
n nw
p pr ps pw py
q
r
s sr(?) sw
t tc ts tw
v vl vr vw vy vz
w
x xw
y
z zw

Here are the consonants/consonant clusters that should be allowed in the coda:

b
c ck ct cp
d
f
g
j
l
mb mp
nd nt
p
q
r
rb rd rf rg rj rk rm rn rp rq rs rt rv rx rz
s sk st sp
t
v
w
x
y
z

@evergreen: I was talking about the trilled r; I find cr hard to pronounce in that scenario. But maybe speakers of languages that actually have trills don't have that problem, so the problem is moot.

I also added q and x back into the allowable coda list.
23  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 05:15:00 pm
May I also suggest excluding "x" from the coda? And perhaps having a few excpetions to the one-consonant coda? ("ng", "sk", "nd", "nt")?

By the way, I totally thank you for doing this and am not just giving you a hard time.

Excluding x from the coda? Sure.

Exceptions to the one-consonant coda rule...sure, but I don't really like the idea of allowing ng. I'll make a potential list of allowable coda clusters.
24  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 04:55:48 pm
Updated version (with discussed changes--I also added xw):

Quote
Acceptable syllables are (C)(C)V(C)

Here are the consonants/consonant combinations that should be allowed in the onset:

b bl br bw by
c cw
d dj dw dz
f fr fw fy
g gl gr gw gy
h
j jl jr(?) jw
k kr ky
l
m mw
n nw
p pr pw py
q
r
s sr(?) sw
t tc ts tw
v vl vr vw vy
w
x xw
y
z zw

Every consonant is allowed in the coda except h and q.
25  Creation of the Language / The Lab / Re: Phonotactics! on: December 15, 2016, 04:49:58 pm
I also support the "sr" and "jr" sounds being included. Also, as an addition to my earlier suggestion, all onsets using plosives - especially double plosives - should be used as infrequently as possible.

The reason I didn't include sr or jr (or zr or cr) is because it could get hard (though not impossible) to pronounce depending on which version of "r" you're using. But I can change that if you want.

Also I'm now leaning towards not using kw (but still using gw).
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